How to charge a 12V battery from another 12V battery using DC/DC converter electronics.

Hello Today Charging a battery. This lead acid battery from a battery. This lithium-ion phosphate battery. Okay, the lithium-ion phosphate is 150 watt hours.

Uh, this little lead acid battery is 12 times 2.3 That's about 30 watt hours. So we've got a lot more energy in the lithium ion phosphate than we have in the lead acid. So how am I going to charge the lead acid battery from the lithium-ion phosphate battery? Well, how about we just connect them together? Positive to positive, Negative to negative. Will this battery charge? This battery will not Necessarily might be the other way around.

I Mean it depends which one has the higher voltage and in fact the voltages will immediately or fairly quickly become the same. I Mean as soon as you connect the two batteries together, they have to be the same voltage. so there won't be any force electromotive force driving energy from One battery to the other. they'll just become the same voltage.

They may be a small current for a while, and therefore a small transfer of charge or transfer of energy, but there's nothing to keep driving the process. The other thing, of course is that if I want to completely charge this battery, its voltage will come up, the voltage of the source battery will go down, and there'll come a point where this one simply isn't more volts than this one. Now, simply connecting them together is not going to serve the purpose. So what I need is some sort of engine? Some sort of motor that I can pull energy out of one battery and push it into the other one and I'm going to use this.

It is a Boost Buck converter. First thing it does is boost the input voltage up to a higher voltage, then it bucks it back down to a lower voltage. But this has current control so it can maintain a constant current flowing from left to right into the destination battery. So let's start hooking it up.

I need a negative wire going to here that goes to the negative of my lithium-ion phosphate battery. So I'll plug that in there with the banana plug, right? positive from the lithium-ion phosphate battery to the Buck or boost Buck converter. But now there's a bit of an issue here. if I plug that in there and then I'm fiddling around trying to connect this and I accidentally short it onto negative I'm going to melt on my wires.

So what do I need? A fuse? Okay, here's a fuse 5 amp fuse which I can connect into there. but if I if I use a fuse and I do this accidental short. at this point where the two connections are quite close together, I'm just going to blow a fuse. and if I keep blowing fuses, that means I need to get new fuses now I'm going to use something else.

I'm going to use a light bulb and that's a big light bulb. This one's an H4 car headlight bulb. I've actually connected it so that the two filaments are in series. So potentially I could put 24 volts across this and it wouldn't blow.

But what this is, it's kind of like a fuse, but rather than blow the fuse to tell me that there's been a short problem, it'll just light the bulb. So if I put this in the battery like so and then I create my short circuit by being rather careless with this wire. All that happens is the bulb lights up. So now I don't need to be really that careful I just need to connect that into my Boost Buck converter.
And like I said, if there's any short circuit problems here, it just lights the bulb. Okay, so there's my source battery lithium-ion phosphate I've got my H4 Car headlight bulb. and now if I have a short circuit event on the input of this Buck Boost converter. It just lights the bulb up so no melted wires, no blown fuses, but the circuit is protected right now.

I Need to put the destination battery my lead acid battery on the output of this boost Buck converter. But first, a quick look at the topology of Boost Buck converters to make sure that sticking a battery on the output of the buck part of this converter is not going to be a problem. I'll just sketch this out. Okay, Boost Converter looks like inductor diode um, and a switch here down to ground.

Buck Converter is a switch there, a diode down to ground and an inductor there. So that's the essential parts of the Boost and then Buck converter. Now, the switches also have diodes because they have mosfet body diodes across them. So we got that one there and this one which actually points back this way.

So we got that diode there so you can see that what we've got is fairly symmetrical. here. we've got inductor going in, inductor coming out. Um, so if there's any problem with sort of power feed into the middle here, we've got two dots pointing at each other.

And so we've really got a safe circuit here. I Can put a battery on the input and I can put a battery on the output. Now, the only other thing that I should really add to this diagram are capacitors. So we'll have input capacitor.

We'll have a capacitor at this midpoint and there will be output capacitors and you can see the capacitors on this boost. Buck converter dotted around input capacitor. This is the midpoint capacitor and a couple of output capacitors. so that's oh, pens run out.

That's where the capacitors go. So this is Um equivalent Circuit of this thing minus or the control circuitry of course. So I think we're good to put a battery on the output. Um, and then we can start this thing up and start transferring charge or energy from the source battery to the destination battery.

So I need a ground wire for the destination battery? put that there and attach it to the negative terminal of this lead acid battery. now. I'm going to do the same thing on this battery I'm going to put a light bulb I made this PCB so you can put these H7 light bulbs in parallel. This will go to the battery and then the other terminal will go to the positive output of this boost butt converter.
Okay, attach the positive of the destination battery, attach the positive of the lead acid battery. Now there will be a small spark and all that is is um, this battery charging these output capacitors, back charging them through my H7 light bulb, but that's fine. Okay, so everything's set up now. I'm not expecting these light bulbs to light up unless of course there is a short circuit event.

So let's create a short circuit event on the output. That's that bulb lighting up. short circuit on the input and that's my H4 light bulb lighting up now I can switch on the Boost Buck converter. I've set it to 13.5 volts.

That's a nice float voltage for the lead acid battery and half an amp so that's a nice gentle charging current. Let's switch it on and see the voltage of the destination battery goes up and settles at 13.5 volt because that's my voltage limit and the current it's pulling is about 400 milliamps but that of course will now start to fall as this battery takes in charge or energy and it absorbs that energy into its chemical innards. So this current will continue to fall until we've got this battery charged up to 13.5 volts now. I Could take this battery higher I could take it up to 14 volts, but I'll leave it at 13.5 Volts For the moment and what you can see is that we've just got current flowing from The Source battery by virtue of this boost function and then Buck function into the destination battery.

So what this device is doing is first boosting the input voltage up to a sort of slightly higher intermediate voltage probably around 15 volts. In fact, we can check that. Okay, so here's the DMM Let's put negative on there. Uh, the boosted positive is on the cathode of this diode, so let's just touch onto there.

And yeah, you can see that's at 16.6 volts. So the Boost converter first pushes the voltage up to 16.6 volts. The butt converter then brings it back down to whatever the voltage of this battery is. Um, well, it's actually on voltage limit so it's on 13.5 volts.

That was one of my settings and with a current that simply holds it at 13.5 volts which at the moment is 238 milliamps and that as I say will continue to fall. So there we are. we're charging the destination battery from The Source battery through these two light bulbs to provide protection using a boost back converter as the sort of engine of energy transfer. It's kind of pushing the current from The Source battery to the destination battery transferring energy between the two batteries and it all works and it's all safe.

Cheerio.

By Julian

Youtuber, shed dweller, solar charge controller aficionado

11 thoughts on “Charge a 12v battery from a 12v battery”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Franko Walker says:

    Cool.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tripplefives says:

    FYI, If you don't have all these tools and you have some random batteries, just connect two batteries in series, connect a light bulb in series with output and connect the light bulb and the other free terminal to your dead battery. For example, two 12v lead acid batteries in series to give 24v, then a turn signal bulb to limit current to 1A to 2A to charge a dead 12v lead acid. As the voltage rises the current through the bulb gets lower.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 6 kill 6 god 6 says:

    I'm so happy you used the D3806 converter, mine is arriving next week, can't wait to start experimenting. 🙂

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fred Flintstone says:

    Come on get back in the shed 😉

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars electronzapdotcom says:

    Nice.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Science in Engineering says:

    I did something simular once when inwas heading to the airport, car battery was stone cold dead, and i only had a slow charger.

    I took a 18V makita tool battery, put two saw blades inn the terminal, put the startet cable to the saw blades.

    2 seconds later the car lightes up. Still didnt start. Gave it 10 second. Still didnt start. Gave it 30 more second. And boom it was running.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mr. Make It says:

    Nice job, Julian. I learned something new in dc charging.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The Embedded Hobbyist says:

    Why not just use a boost converter and save on the losses of buck side. Just pick a source battery with a terminal voltage lower than the battery to be charged. Every time you do a power conversion you have to pay the gods of electricity and you never get a refund 😂😂😅

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Paul Bearden says:

    Riveting. You should try it without the light bulb and see if it charges differently.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars noSafetySwitch says:

    Are these lightbulbs not reducing the efficiency of the charging process significantly? Surely you will be fine with simple fuses, just dont short your wires.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Tarbox says:

    Do you have a link for the boost-buck converter you used?

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