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Good morning, all this is the power oak ps5b portable power station. It's one of these things where you can plug solar in you can plug a mains charger in you can even charge from vehicle 12 volts and it's got lithium-ion batteries, and then you can take the power back out through 12-volt, sockets or usb or mains. It's got mains plugs on this side anywho. This has been out in my shed for about the last year permanently plugged in via this cable to the big 240 watt 60 cell solar panel, that i've got in my garden and because this was only running a couple of usb devices plugged into these sockets.

One was a wi-fi access point for the shed. The other one is oh yeah, the zigbee hub. This thing was putting out very little power and therefore it just was permanently fully charged. It's five bars, occasionally i'd come out to the shed and see that it was just flashing and topping up, because, of course, these devices do drain this thing down very slowly, but most of the time this was fully charged.

Actually, let's turn it on. Where is it now nowhere near fully charged, and that's because one day i came out to the shed and yes, it was down at this sort of level. Wasn't charging and i thought, wait a minute it's still plugged into the solar panel. What's going on so i thought: has the um mppt solar charge controller in here burnt out can't see why it would so? I went to take this plug out and it wouldn't come out.

It was absolutely firmly jammed in there. So i thought oh we've had an incident: something's, melted and welded together uh. I disconnected this cable at the other end, let's show you the other end a couple of mc4s and i put the um wall ac power adapter in there. This can also take a 12 volts dc from a car adapter and it charged absolutely fine, so nothing wrong with the charging circuitry.

But what happened to this? Well, it does come out now, but it took an enormous amount of force to get that out and i'll show you why we'll get some close-ups. So this is the anderson power pole connector on the side of the power station and, as you can see, the metal blade on the negative connector has moved to the side and that's because the plastic - the black plastic here completely melted, um welded itself to the plastic. On the corresponding mating plug and the metal, because it's moved down simply disconnected with the mating leaf. I suppose this is like a blade or a leaf and therefore there was no longer any um charging going on, but probably all that sliding off the bench probably prior to that happening.

There was arcing and the arcing created heat, maybe not even arcing, but just a high resistance connection and that's what caused the plastic to start melting. So here's the corresponding plug that comes from the mc4 connectors, not sure if we can see any evidence there of arcing. Possibly but again, the black, the red plug's fine, actually completely fine everything's in its correct position, which is good because that shows us comparatively where things are meant to be but um, although the black blade doesn't seem to the blade the metal blade in the black plug. Doesn't seem to have moved significantly, you can see all the melted plastic and, in fact, where it simply had to be torn apart in order to get this plug out of the corresponding socket.
So there it is um an anderson power, pole connector, which got hot the metal work moved and it lost connection now. To my mind, this plug only works because the metal is in contact with the metal under some pressure by virtue of the plastic surround. If the integrity of the plastic surround is lost, and that could happen, i mean that shed had got to 35 degrees celsius in the middle of summer. It did get very warm in there.

Maybe this softened up a bit and those leaves moved that started the arcing and that caused caused positive feedback with a heat event and the whole thing melted down. But, to my mind, this says that anderson power pool power pole is not a very good high. Current connector, if you've got a warm environment because it just fails, the metal to metal contact requires the integrity of the plastic surround to work, and there are other signs of a heat event before i pulled this out. These gouge marks of me trying to lever it out with a screwdriver in the end.

I just simply pulled it really hard by hand, but you can see there's a heat, blister sort of thing here, a little bit of um distortion in that straight line there and, on the other side, yeah a little bit of a heat blister there. So there was clearly some sort of heat event that had taken place. Well, now i'm going to break open the shell of this uh plug because having decided that anderson power pole ain't no good for a continuous connection with at times a relatively high current, possibly about five amps, something like that. I'm going to change it for something that won't have the same problem and that's going to be an xt60 well look at this um.

This plug actually has a cord grip here and the two wires run into the two connectors here. So the question is: will an xt60 fit in there and will it also fit in the power bank the portable power station? So i bought lots and lots of xt90 and xt60 connectors. These are the 90s. The ebay seller shortchanged me actually by one connector.

These are uh, a mass they've got a mass printed on them, and they've got nice little mating, cable reliefs. I suppose they are so yeah short changed me by one connector. However, the same seller on the xc60s actually gave me 50 more than i had ordered, not bad, so this looks like it could fit in there. I have to cut away that little uh stud cut down these side walls a little bit, but i think that should go in there.

That looks like a reasonably good fit in there now, which way around. Would this normally go? Lipo batteries have this sort of connector on them, so should i have that for the source um, i probably should uh, which means that this one, the male, i suppose it is - is going to have to fit in there. It looks like it's going to fit reasonably. Well in this aperture might have to be filed out a bit, but the question is: what's behind these power poles - probably something very similar to what we saw in the cable, so positive, that's the flat one on 60s and 90s.
Isn't it and negative? Is the one with the angle odd that it went that way around, but there it is so that just needs to fit in there um, probably sticking out a fair way. Oh no! No! This can be recessed, can't it because that sinks down inside there yeah, so this could be sunk down actually flush with this outside panel, which is ideal really. So if you're wondering what this is i'll, just lift that out, it's um an ec3, i believe, or an ec5 um, which is direct access to the cells in here and that's used with some a crop clip cable for car jump starter. So this is gon na.

Have to come apart, i drilled these little covers so that i could put a screw in them and pull them out. Let's undo the screws, get the battery pack out of here and see what we're dealing with so there's the top coming off. There's the battery and there's an ec3 or ec5 here for the main battery. So let's get that off and this is with the bottom panel off and i seem to remember that this is the balance charge lead.

So we'll pull that out - and i think now this battery pack comes completely out so i'll do that and then i can get a better view of this thing. So this is the battery pack uh. This looks like the balance charge. Cable, that's attached on the side! Here, uh with those four black wires, there's some sort of internal set of wires running there.

Oh, i wonder if that's sort of coming in from the cells and then going off to this connector main high current connector there and there's some sort of connector there, which is possibly a temperature sensor, but yeah, that's the battery pack, that's what's written on it! 2019. I have had this unit for a while and here's all the electronics we've got this thing on a big heatsink with semiconductors in there, and then this is the inside of the lid. So i'm gon na have to get in to the point um where i can get to the anderson power pole connectors now, where are they? Oh? No, that's the main side. Yes, this side there they are, so you can see the red one there and the black one sitting next to it.

I've got to get into there somehow so there's the socket assembly with the two anderson power pole connectors now: i've undone that screw um, but the other screw for that is buried behind another connector, which is this big one here for the uh jumpstart and i think All of it is behind this. Stick on face plate. It's a plastic! I don't need the torch for that uh. Well, perhaps i do but uh.

If i stick my screwdriver behind that, i can lever that off starting to lever that away, but i think i might need to get some heat on that to get it off so anyway, i'm going to be able to get to the screws. So if i damage the self-adhesive well so be it right. That's that torn off - and i can see a couple of screw holes that one there that one there and the module for the ac and 12 volt dc input and the pv input should come away completely. And i should be able to get that out and start working on it separately.
So that's come out just need to cut this cable tie there, and this is on a couple of plug-in connectors on the board. So hopefully i can get that all off and that has extracted this wiring assembly and in fact you can see that very simply, um. The anderson power poles are just in parallel with the other socket input. It says don't use them at the same time, but in actual fact all that would do is parallel.

The solar panel up with your uh constant voltage, uh dc supply the solar panel, would then just immediately go to that voltage. I can't do any harm actually and that's on a couple of um sort of um spade terminal receptacles. Anyway. I want to get into the anderson power pole section of this see if i can replace it with an xt60.

So, having removed this top holder bar the anderson power, poles should slide out. I do think, though, that, because of the heat event that might have melted itself, oh that one's sliding out, but this one might have melted itself on there. I'll have a closer look right. This has come out of here, um, but because of the melting, the little stud there has broken off there, but i don't think that's a bad thing, because that would have been in the way of the xt60 anyway.

So now i want to get this out and maintain or recover as much of the um wire length as possible. These are slid together, aren't they, but i'm not sure they're going to come apart now because of that little pip in there. So it's case of getting this in here and i think the little channels, because the anderson power poles have these little channels running down the outsides they're duplicated in here. So if i carve them away pause to the outside, so yes that should fit in there quite well, and possibly i can just hot glue it in i'll, see how things look when i've carved this, so knife blade for the side, walls, the remainder of this pit, I'm just going to take out with oh that shot across the room um with my side, cutters just gon na remove that bit of side wall now that is a really nice fit in there, but there's nothing to prevent that sliding back at the moment.

But i think if i carved away more of this bottom rail point this thing here, then this small lip should sit. I've got to get this right around positive to the outside yeah. It should sit inside there and then i should be able to screw this back onto the top now. This won't currently push down properly, because i just need that to sit a little bit lower in this housing, but i think that is going to be a fantastic fit.
Is there a lip there there's some sort of lip yeah, so that should hold the xt60 in there and, if i just pack it with hot glue, i think that could work so a bit of carving of this front wall, because it's a bit too high for The xt60 so carve that away yeah just want to reduce its height ever so slightly hard to see what's going on, because it's all black plastic, but you can get an impression perhaps that'll do it now is that held in by the two screws on the top. It seems okay, but it did pop out just now i mean it's at a slight angle: it doesn't sit quite straight in there. I do think packing it with hot glue would help because yeah it is possible to push it out, and i don't want that pushing into the unit and then being unable to reseat it. So i think i will pack it with hot glue, and now i need to remove these anderson power.

Pole connectors and i can't quite work out. They won't slide apart because that pipe welded in there and so i'm just trying to cut them apart. I don't quite know how you solder these - i presume you solder the metal blade onto the wire and then slide it in and there's some sort of barb which locks it in, but i don't know how they work well. It does seem that there's a piece of flat steel in there and i'm pulling on the connector and it just seems to be hooked behind it.

So if i guide it over the top of there will it come out and it's come out so far. So maybe the spring still is intended to push the metal blade in contact with the mating part, but of course, if the whole surround melts away, then the integrity of all that system is lost and that's what happened? Well, i've been carving this apart. The metal is most definitely bonded into the plastic, so that's not coming out, but i think these look like they're long enough if i cut them at that, crimped joint there so i'll cut that tight up to the crimp. Similarly, with the black one, if i can get in there yeah, so that's got rid of the anderson power pole excellent now i can solder these into there, but i think i'll do my hot gluing of this first actually going to do the soldering first.

So, let's get these tinned up now. That sold is too long on my, i can't manipulate it with my fingers very easily. Oh, that's not taking very well need some more heat. Uh 400 should do it, let's bring it up to that now, let's see if it'll take the solder, oh yeah, that's better bit of a horrible bit there.

Let's get that nicely saturated with solder and the same with the red or, let's just tighten that up a bit. I feel the heat coming up the wires now, particularly that black one. I don't know what this wire is, but it's not tinning very easily, and now i can see whether this um connector, which does say a mass on it, whether it um melts when i heat it up shouldn't, do, should be a thermo setting plastic. Oh a nice.
Hot iron works well in there that takes very quickly. That's good now is clipping this cover on going to be a mistake, because that might remove this ridge and therefore it'll slide back through here. But if i hot glue it that should bond in with this xt60 marking and fix it in there fairly solidly. So i'm going to clip that cap on.

Oh, how do you get them on? Oh, like that, okay got my paws onto the flat side. That's correct right! Let's get some hot glue and get that in there in such a way that it doesn't come out right. That's definitely pause to the outside car adapter. Is that one pv pause to the outside leg to the inside? Let's glue it in i'm, just warming up my hot glue gun here right.

I think the glue gun should be hot, so glue into the bottom of this. Let's put enough in to fill that up, that should be about right. I think and stick this in before that sets now it is going to ooze everywhere, but that's fine, and then i want to put a bit of glue on the top just over that a mass logo not worrying too much about the strings and stick that on The top and screw these screws down and screw the other one down. That's nice and tight there's another screw somewhere there and put that in this side, and that holds the dc barrel jack in place.

But that should all amalgamate together and the xt60 shouldn't push back. But i'm going to let this cool and set completely before i attempt to play with it and now using a slightly safer knife, i'm going to carve away the hot glue that just oozed out the front because it's just fouling! Oh yes, that's very nice. Little sliver of hot glue there, it's just fouling on this plate, and actually that is an exquisite fit in there, almost an interference fit in the hole there. Yes, that's absolutely near perfect couldn't be better.

So now this assembly needs to go back inside the lid and it comes out this hole if it will fit in that hole. It should do it's struggling a bit at the moment now that should fit in there. I just can't get the angle on it right. Let's put these retaining screws back in which hold the assembly to the box lid, which is plastic and the bottom one to hold the dc barrel jack in place.

Yeah that looks pretty good, that protrudes just the right amount. Let's test that with this convenient one sat here: oh yes and i can put the necessary force on there, although i should be careful until the hot glue is completely set, but that looks pretty good and then this needs to fit over the top, which i think It will i'll have to get some double-sided tape to stick that back on i'll turn this up, so you can see it face on, and here it is with the box, all screwed back together again there's the connector that fits in there and, yes, i can put Add enough force to force that in and to pull it out and my connector is not moving and the nice thing about xt60, which the anderson power pole doesn't really appear to have is that when the metal is in contact with the metal, this is a cylinder. That's a sort of split pin. The integrity of the plastic is really unimportant because once the pin is in the metal receptacle, that's it there's no possibility for things to move and drift and for heat to be generated and for the whole thing to melt down.
This is a thermo-setting plastic, of course anyway, but yeah. I think that looks much better than the anderson power pole thing that they had before and i was lucky everything just seemed to fit and then, when i get all this sticky stuff off and get some double sided tape that fits on there rather well so yeah. It's all going to go back together quite nicely, i think, and then the only thing i need to do now is to remove these anderson power poles from the plug and again put the xt60 in which again might be hot glued into there. The two halves of this probably actually best held together by just filling it with hot glue.

I can do that in another video if you're interested you may not be, but for this video that's kind of it, so cheerio.

By Julian

Youtuber, shed dweller, solar charge controller aficionado

8 thoughts on “PV Connector Meltdown”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars hi-tech-guy-18 says:

    mod for all power banks
    ITT PowerLock PowerSafe 500A & 800A – Rated for (1000V/ac and 1500V/dc) Line Connectors & Panel Mounts & Source & Drain Powerlock Connectors + with the 45ยฐ Degree Plastic PowerLock Adaptors kits
    – Very Industry overkill Yes but you get very safe Suicide cables with twist locks and anti fingers + locking system (Powersafe Distribution Box – sequential mating locking system)

    Showsafe 19 Pin Connector for Smart BMS – Active Bi Directional Equalisers – Cell Analyser Meters
    – i would be tempted to abuse 4 Pole & 8 pole Neutrik speakON for TTL CanBus Serial (2 wire) Data connections + 2 pole Testing Terminal for Volt meter With modified Probe leads

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Benny says:

    I think you are correct with your choice of XT connector Julian. A more robust and resilient design of connector can overcome some poor material choices by the manufacturer. The XT connectors have less failure modes since once mated, there is no reliance on the plastic case for any mechanical stresses.
    Let's face it, you are either going to throw great wads of cash at a "quality" manufacturer on inferior designed items or spend pennies on unknown quality parts that are well designed – with the latter approach, XT connectors make a lot of sense. Only problem for me is you can't get higher than XT90's – yet.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars razzle dazzle says:

    Were the original connector terminals crimped on to the wires while the housing was installed? There appears to be a square depression in the housing as if they did. Perhaps to speed assembly, or to deal with malformed terminals post crimp, they chose to treat the connector as a crimp-able insulated assembly rather than a separate terminal which is crimped or soldered and then inserted into the housing. I wonder if their crimping process distorted the terminals contact alignment and resulted in a poor connection.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Simon Coates says:

    I've noticed that some Chinese copy connectors use inferior metals for the mating surfaces. I've seen 'copy' high amperage connectors using aluminium with no plating. Quality connectors use cadmium, nickel, gold etc… to ensure a good contact and minimise corrosion.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ed says:

    I bought some Anderson PowerPole connectors from ebay. I found two issues straight away. The contacts were actually made of thinner material than they should have been, for the rated current and the plastic was a substandard material. I would imagine anything above 5 amps would cause quit a bit of heating. Your contacts look to be of the same type as what I got from ebay. Nice job on the replacement.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Damian - 2E0TXE says:

    That is an interesting repair. We use Anderson Powerpoles alot in the Amateur Radio community, I know that small outer casing you shown here, can have three different rating of internal 'prong' I'm interested to do some tests and see what amp or heat would cause that to fail. Especially as I've got some sitting in a warm car on a summer day. Very interesting and maybe worth moving to XT60 for radio as well.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tonny Cassidy says:

    this is a nice heads up, im gonna get rid of all anderson connectors from all my APC UPS, havent fail yet but better safe than sorry and get rid of it before i experienced whats shown in this vid, and yes the UPS is out of warranty so it should be fine

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars BeachSandInspector Technologies says:

    I live in Australia and we have temps of 40 deg C often, genuine power poles of that size are usually good to 45amps depending on the metal contact inserted into the housing, also I have the correct crimp tool for the metal contacts (never solder them as they will not easy fit into the housing from my experience after fitting off maybe 200+ pairs of power poles).

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